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Subject: Re: Electronic Standards Delivery Issue
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Dear Dr. Willis (John please forgive the formalism but there are a number of
"John" in this email thread):
Although persons with more senior standing in the IEEE are on the
distribution list of this email, they have, for their own personal reason, decided to
remain silent. I feel that I can no longer suffer this state of affair.
I must say that I find your contributions to this email thread surprising and
ill-advised. As the DATC chair you hold a responsible position in a Society
which is part of the IEEE and in fact the parent of the DASC. As such, you
should be familiar with the present business model of the IEEE, which is very
similar to that of most SDO (Standard Development Organizations) that are not
wholly dependent on government grants. Standards are sold to cover the costs of
supporting the structure required to manage the development, manafuacturing,
distribution, and marketing of standards. You are also the Secretary of the
DASC, and as such, you have the obligation to see the organization thrives and
grows, both in stature and in its financial well-being. Athough the IEEE is
always working to modify and modernize its business model, at present the sale
of standards is a major factor in keeping the organization in business.
It is easy to offer negative criticism; much harder to offer constructive
suggestions. You have, unfortunately, chosen the first course of affair. As
chair of the DATC you have not offered any constructive suggestion to help the
IEEE to modify its business model and still maintain the structure and income
that makes it one of the most formidable organizations world-wide in the area of
professional standards.
I would also caution you to consult the FDL System attorneys you are so fond
of referring to, regarding derivative work from copyright material.
Publications that can be found to be obvious derivative work from copyright
publications, are subject to the original copyright restrictions. I, for one, fail to
understand how someone can produce a rendering of 1164 that is not an obvious
"derivative work". Are either FTL Systems or its customers, so financially
needy that paying for a standard constitutes a hardship? I reming you that the
IEEE offers a number of methods that would provide volume distribution of one or
more standard at very reasonable unit prices.
You have indicated that, in your opinion, there are other industry
organization that better fit your aims. May be you should consider using them
exclusively for your professional and financial purposes.
Personally I never found pissing and whining to be a productive behavior.
Gabe Moretti
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on list of this email, they have, for their own personal reason, decided to=20=
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Society which is part of the IEEE and in fact the parent of the DASC. =20=
As such, you should be familiar with the present business model of the IEEE,=
which is very similar to that of most SDO (Standard Development Organizatio=
ns) that are not wholly dependent on government grants. Standards are=20=
sold to cover the costs of supporting the structure required to manage the d=
evelopment, manafuacturing, distribution, and marketing of standards. =20=
You are also the Secretary of the DASC, and as such, you have the obligation=
to see the organization thrives and grows, both in stature and in its finan=
cial well-being. Athough the IEEE is always working to modify and mode=
rnize its business model, at present the sale of standards is a major factor=
in keeping the organization in business.<BR>
It is easy to offer negative criticism; much harder to offer constructive su=
ggestions. You have, unfortunately, chosen the first course of affair.=
As chair of the DATC you have not offered any constructive suggestion=
to help the IEEE to modify its business model and still maintain the struct=
ure and income that makes it one of the most formidable organizations world-=
wide in the area of professional standards.<BR>
I would also caution you to consult the FDL System attorneys you are so fond=
of referring to, regarding derivative work from copyright material. P=
ublications that can be found to be obvious derivative work from copyright p=
ublications, are subject to the original copyright restrictions. I, fo=
r one, fail to understand how someone can produce a rendering of 1164 that i=
s not an obvious "derivative work". Are either FTL Systems or its cust=
omers, so financially needy that paying for a standard constitutes a hardshi=
p? I reming you that the IEEE offers a number of methods that would pr=
ovide volume distribution of one or more standard at very reasonable unit pr=
ices.<BR>
You have indicated that, in your opinion, there are other industry organizat=
ion that better fit your aims. May be you should consider using them e=
xclusively for your professional and financial purposes.<BR>
Personally I never found pissing and whining to be a productive behavior.<BR=
>
Gabe Moretti<BR>
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