Subject: Re: DASC Funds
From: Alex Zamfirescu (hxml@pacbell.net)
Date: Sun Jun 15 2003 - 21:05:46 PDT
Steve:
First I need to apologize to all of you
on this reflector for posting
this defending message.
My comments were accurate and very well informed.
Last year at DAC we had a DASC meeting that
was held using laptops as displays. At that meeting a vote
approved the use of (if I remember correctly) up to $5000 from the
DASC budget to purchase a projector, to be used in
DASC supported standards activities. The ($5000) question is
"Where is that projector?" It might have helped your BOF
meeting dealing with VHDL as well (even if it was not
IEEE/DASC sponsored).
Steve, you assumed a few things in your e-mail, one
that I was thinking about your BOF meeting, and second that
I do not follow the constructive path in debating.
Both of those assumptions are wrong. In any case,
do not be so fast in accusing others of
inaccuracies when you use un-proved assumptions.
I wish you all a lucky day!
Kindest regards,
Alex Zamfirescu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Bailey" <stephen@srbailey.com>
To: "Alex Zamfirescu" <hxml@pacbell.net>; "Paul J. Menchini" <mench@mench.com>;
<stds-dasc@eda.org>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: DASC Funds
> I cannot let Alex's inaccurate and uninformed comments below go without
important clarification.
>
> > 2. DASC is self maintained by member fees. However,
> > it is not clear that all funds benefit DASC. I have not seen
> > a financial report recently, but I see less then adequate
> > meeting facilities (where laptop screens are used for
> > displays instead of projectors) and I hear that DASC can
> > not accumulate funds over more than one year, losing
> > all what is accumulated at the end of the year if not spent.
> > How can an organization that is at the base of the progress
> > in technology run that way? Is it something to discuss here?
>
> All (DASC membership) funds benefitting DASC:
> I arranged for the VASG (aka VHDL-200x) and DASC meeting room at the Anaheim
Marriott as well as the continental breakfast since we
> started at 8am. Paul Menchini authorized the full reimbursement of the cost
of the meeting room and continental breakfast and I
> have already submitted the expense report to the IEEE CS. The cost of the
telecon is covered courtesy of Mentor Graphics. While
> this cost does not account for the expenditure of all DASC membership funds,
this is a tangible benefit of your DASC dues.
>
> As to the problem with viewing slides on a laptop screen:
> I believe Alex is referring to the DAC Birds of a Feather meeting on VHDL
200x. The meeting room was provided with an old-fashioned
> overhead projector. I had wrongly assumed that we would be provided a modern
LCD projector. Therefore, with no transparencies, and
> with Mentor Graphics LCD projectors already lockd up in the DAC demo suites,
I could only improvise by using my laptop's display. I
> forwarded electronic copies of the presentation material to all attendees.
>
> Alex, if you are referring to some other meeting which was an IEEE meeting,
please let us know and explain how the lack of an LCD
> projector negated any value of the meeting.
>
> NOTE: This was a DAC Birds of a Feather meeting. It was NOT an IEEE nor a
DASC meeting! I informed MP Associates (DAC organizer)
> personnel that overhead projectors no longer make the grade.
>
> NOTE: For the VASG / DASC meetings at the Anaheim Marriott, Accellera (via
Dennis Brophy) provided a modern LCD projector. So the
> IEEE meetings did have an LCD projector.
>
> Alex, inaccurate comments such as these do not help foster constructive
debate. Please make sure you get the facts right in the
> future. (Yes, a DASC treasury report would be nice to have, but there would
be no expectation that such a report would be available
> that included information about the Anaheim Marriott VASG / DASC meeting
costs this soon after the meeting. After all, I don't even
> have my reimbursement check yet!)
>
> -Steve Bailey
>
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