Re: Review of DASC membership fees

Peter,
      This budget seems out of line to me. I'm the chairman of a working
group which has had a $0 budget since before it became an IEEE working
group the first time. This is not to say that the DASC budget should be
zero but getting companies to donate much of what is needed like meeting
rooms, food, teleconferencing facilities, projection facilities etc. should
be possible and its very cost effective. The 1481 working group has had
companies donate all the resources I mentioned and even editorial help.
What the donation process generally results in is the meetings are most
often held in cities where the companies that are most active have
facilities. In general I don't think is detrimental but it may result in
more meeting being held in Silicon Valley than anywhere else. I'm
supportive of a moderate travel budget for the DASC chairman. The reason is
it will encourage individuals that are not employed by a large company to
actively participate in the DASC's top position and this balance is very
useful.

My budget proposal might look like this:

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| DASC-SC Meetings (room, telecommunication, food) $0.00 4 $0.00 |
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 DASC-SC Telecon $0.00 6 $0.00
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 Travel (chair) $2,000.00 4 $8,000.00
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 Travel (other) $0.00 2 $0.00
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 Equipment and Web services $0.00 1 $0.00
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 Misc Exp $1,000.00 1 $1,000.00
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| |
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| Total $9,000.00|
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Thanks,
 John B.

Phone: 1-845-892-4212
Fax 1-845-892-2066
email jbeatty@us.ibm.com

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Dear colleagues,

The DASC procedures require that the fees for individual and entity
membership of DASC for 2005 be determined by 15 August, since people can
start renewing for 2005 after that date. Hence, I'd like to open
discussion of the question.

Currently, we have a fee for individuals of $40 and no fee set for entity
membership. Given the possibility of entity membership in the future, I
suggest we determine that fee now also. Our procedures state that "The
amounts shall be determined so as to cover the reasonable operating
expenses of the DASC." Our Treasurer has prepared a budget to give us an
idea of expenses:

                                                                  
          Item Cost Per Occurrence Annual Cost
                                                                  
 DASC-SC Meetings $ 4 $
 (room, 5,000.00 20,000.00
 telecommunication,
 food)
                                                                  
 DASC-SC Telecon $ 6 $
                          250.00 1,500.00
                                                                  
 Travel (chair) $ 4 $
                         3,000.00 12,000.00
                                                                  
 Travel (other) $ 2 $
                         3,000.00 6,000.00
                                                                  
 Equipment and Web $ 1 $
 services 2,500.00 2,500.00
                                                                  
 Misc Exp 3000 1 $
                                                     3,000.00
                                                                  
                                                                  
                                                                  
                                    Total $
                                                        45,000.00
                                                                  

Our current fee goes nowhere near covering these expenses. To get closer,
I'd suggest the following as a first cut:

For entity members, I'd suggest we mirror the IEEE-SA setup of a tiered fee
based on revenue. For example:
- $500 for entities with revenue less than $1M
- $1000 for entities with revenue of $1M to $1B
- $2000 for entities with revenue more than $1B
Along with this, the Designated Representative (DR) and one Designated
Representative Alternate (DRA) of the entity would get individual
membership, allowing them to vote in individual-based WGs.

For individual members, I'd suggest we change the fee to $200.

Under the above scenario, entities that only want to vote in WGs and not be
part of the ballot group can just pay the DASC fee. Entities that want to
vote in the WG and ballot pay both DASC and IEEE-SA fees. Entities that
just want to ballot only pay the IEEE-SA fee. This would mirror the
current arrangements for individuals in individual-based projects.

I'd like to invite members to comment ahead of a vote in the near future on
fees for 2005. Please respond to the stds-dasc@eda.org list.

Thanks, and regards,

Peter Ashenden
DASC Chair

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