RE: Review of DASC membership fees

Shalom,

  I don't know if Freescale has been 100% set free from Motorola, and I certainly understand that is the path and you may be closer to total independence than not. But if not, you might want to check. Motorola is one of the IEEE-SA Corporate Advisory Group board members. The Motorola CAG board representative may well be able to advise you as to your legal standing in this matter. That said, Motorola has had a rather important position to foster corporate involvement in the standards making process in the IEEE.

  The other point I would like to make is the repeated and false statement that a person has no privileges if they are not a paying member. All IEEE meetings are open. Anyone that wants to be heard must be heard.

  Further, when the CAG and DASC negotiated the P&Ps they negotiated observer opportunities within clause 7. At the end of the clause you will find this:

        "The WG may from time to time form subgroups for
        the conduct of its business and determine the eligibility
        of WG members and observers to vote on questions within such
        subgroups. Any resolution of a subgroup shall be subject
        to confirmation by the WG."

See: http://www.eda.org/sv-ieee1800/Meetings/2004/August/P1800WG-P&P-2004-08-04.pdf

  In the case of P1800, the working group confirmed individual voting rights to members and observers in subgroups of the working group with the following motion:

        "A motion (Cliff, Victor) was made that subgroup members
         and observers may vote following the same attendance
         requirements as the WG as individuals on questions within
         all subgroups. Any resolution of a subgroup shall be
         subject to confirmation by the WG. The motion was
         unanimously approved."

See: http://www.eda.org/sv-ieee1800/Meetings/2004/August/8-9-04MeetingMinutesUnapproved.pdf

  I hope this information goes to temper your concerns.

Regards,

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-dasc@eda.org [mailto:owner-stds-dasc@eda.org] On Behalf Of Shalom Bresticker
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:22 PM
To: stds-dasc@eda.org
Subject: Re: Review of DASC membership fees

I disagree with some of this.

Gabe Moretti wrote:

> Well within the WG things go along as they always have. Engineers
> that work for a company and are aware of the company's market
> direction will represent the will of the company, all others will
> represent themselves. Once the WG is done and the ballot is an entity
> ballot, each entity can vote NO with comments and get the standard
> changed to its own liking. It can do that either because its
> arguments are compelling or because its employees within the WG have
> been properly instructed, or by paying for more DASC members to join the WG.

Engineers that work for a company will have voting and other membership privileges only if their company decides to pay for entity membership. My company is not currently an IEEE-SA member, so I have no membership privileges in P1800, for example.

So it is not true that "within the WG things go along as they always have".

And membership will cost significantly more than in the past, especially for independents.

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