RE:

Jim,
 I think we need to review both sets since there is direct interaction.
Merging them might improve clarity so it should be considered.

Regards,
 
 Victor 

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From: Jim Lewis [mailto:jim@synthworks.com] 
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To: Victor Berman
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Subject: Re: 

Victor
If we are going to review the P&P since some DASC responsibilities are
currently delegated to DASC-SC, we need to also review DASC-SC P&P.
Perhaps we should merge the two since the objective of P&Ps is to define
the governance of DASC by DASC and DASC-SC.


Comments on "DASC P&P (with comments by GSR)".

Comment 1:
Introduction
 From GSR:  "These procedures can be updated no more than once per
year."

Unless this is an IEEE SA or CS requirement, why place this restriction
on the document?


Comment 2:
3.3 Removal of Officers
"An officer may be removed by approval of two-thirds of the voting
members of the Sponsor. Grounds for removal shall be included in any
motion to remove an officer of the Sponsor."


This entire section could be one of the numbered items section
7.5 "Actions Requiring Approval by Two-Thirds of Those Voting of the
DASC Membership"
4. Removal of an officer of DASC

If this section is retained as 3.3, it needs some rewording:
"A DASC officer may be removed by approval of two-thirds of the voting
members of DASC. Grounds for removal shall be included in any motion to
remove such officer."


Comment 3:
Formation of study groups seems to be covered by 3 rules:
DASC P&P addition by GSR:
3.4.1 Chair
   . . .
   2)  Form Study Groups, as necessary

DASC P&P in approved version and the addition by GSR:
"5 Subgroups Created by the DASC
5.1 Subgroups of the DASC
When one or more subgroups (subcommittees, working groups, technical
subcommittees, writing groups, etc.) are formed specifically to expedite
the standards development work of the DASC, their formation (and later
disbandment) shall be in accordance with the procedures of the IEEE-CS
SAB. "

DASC-SC P&P:
"5.4 Actions Requiring Approval by a Majority of the DASC-SC Membership"
item 1:  "Formation of a subgroup of the DASC, including
           its procedures, scope, and duties"


It would be alot easier to spot things like this if the DASC and DASC-SC
P&Ps were merged.


Comment 4:
3.4.1 Chair
. . .
h)
   Seek consensus of the Sponsor as a means of resolving all issues

Is the Sponsor DASC or DASC-SC?

Does this mean the chair does not make independent
ruling on items up for discussion?   I don't see anything
in the P&Ps new or old that give the chair the right to independently
decide anything.

Again, this would suggest merging DASC and DASC-SC P&Ps.


Comment 5:
7.3 Voting By Ballot
With the prevalence of email balloting, I think we should drop letter
ballot from this document.

Comment 6:
8. Balloting group for a standard
This would seem to be redundant with higher level documents.
I would not repeat this type of information here.
The only path to IEEE standardization is by following the IEEE standards
processes.


Comment 7:
Further definition of what a study group is vs. what a working group is
is necessary.  Who develops a PAR?
Is it a study group or is it a working group?

Comment 8:
Roberts rules of order is quite a lengthy document.
Since most IEEE standards groups seem to reference this, it would be
helpful if IEEE SA created a
1-2 page guide as a condensed version.

Comment 9:
To bring us into the 21st century, we really need a parliamentary guide
for running groups via email.

Who can initiate a discussion on a point of action via email?
When is it appropriate to intitiate an email call for vote of DASC-SC?
Who can initiate a call for email vote of DASC-SC?
Can only the chair initiate an email call for vote?
Are there conditions where members of DASC-SC or DASC can through
agreement of X number of members can initiate a call for email vote?


Cheers,
Jim
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