Dear Steve: What is written in the procedures will be always detailed down to a certain level. The procedures are not a program that a machine executes, they are a set of recipes that humans with memory observe. Your view that if something is not written in the procedures it should not happen is therefore flawed. I challenge you to write the procedures which will be executed by a machine. Until then we need to relay on the fact that we are human. One of our advantages is that we follow established procedure. This is all what I asked. I may come with many examples of things which are not written in the procedures but happened just because that's the way elections are performed. Alternatively, we should not hold elections without first writing down how we did them in the past, in whatever detail you think that is needed, if we can not take that (the established procedure, even the semantic of some words, etc.) into account in other way. I do not look forward to becoming a machine. Sincerely, Alex Z On 12/17/07, Bailey, Stephen <SBailey@model.com> wrote: > > Can everyone calm down a bit? > > The DASC has operating procedures (policies and procedures) that govern > how we operate. One purpose of having those procedures is to avoid this > type of situation. The P&Ps cover elections of DASC officers. They do not > require solicitation of or handling of position statements as part of the > elections process. Therefore, they are not required by our P&Ps. > > Alex has pointed out that this may be a shortcoming in the P&Ps. It might > be, but that is a subject for revising the P&Ps, not for changing the > documented elections process in the middle of an election. It is also > important that Victor, as a candidate for an office that is being filled in > this election and as current DASC chair, delegate the responsibility for > conducting the election to a returning officer (elections processor). This > is for the purpose of maintaining impartiality and avoiding undue influence > of the chair on the elections. > > Due to past allegations of DASC P&Ps not being followed and the subsequent > issues that created with SAB, the DASC needs to operate under the P&Ps and > not deviate from them, regardless of the intent in wanting to do so. > > We run the DASC by the book (which is sometimes inconvenient). If we find > the book needs to be improved, then there is a process for revising the > P&Ps. > > -Steve Bailey > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-stds-dasc@server.eda.org [mailto: > owner-stds-dasc@server.eda.org] *On Behalf Of *Hanna, William A > *Sent:* Monday, December 17, 2007 12:13 PM > *To:* Shields, John > *Cc:* Alex Zamfirescu; Peter Ashenden; stds-dasc@server.dasc.org > *Subject:* RE: DASC officer election resumption > > > My Reply is to John Shields because the message is an accusation direted > to me: > > John: > > Your remarks on my remarks are not acceptable to me because I did not say > what you are accusing me of saying. I did not use the wrod terrorist. I also > do not have a conspiracy theory mind that links Alex's position statement or > lack thereof to Peter's proposal to delay the election of officers for 2 > weeks because of the holidays. > > Sorry, you jumped to unfair judgement of several people that are acting in > good faith. > > Bill Hanna > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Shields [mailto:John_Shields@mentor.com] > *Sent:* Monday, December 17, 2007 12:34 PM > *To:* Hanna, William A > *Cc:* Alex Zamfirescu; Peter Ashenden; stds-dasc@server.dasc.org > *Subject:* Re: DASC officer election resumption > > > Bill, > > I am truly surprised by your remarks and Alex's. Everyone has made an > attempt to satisfy Alex's desire to have position statements, without being > rash about attempting to change the P&Ps concerning election in the middle > of an election. I note that everyone up for nomination *except Alex* has > put forth a sincere position statement. For him to have time to playfully > chastise Peter and tacitly criticize the Chair for asking for the election > to be continued according to the rules and still not respond with any > comment about providing his own position statement IS HIS POSITION > STATEMENT, as far as I am concerned. > > Your opinion that it was OK for Peter to act as he did is a fine opinion. > When it is prudent to break the rules, they should be broken and it is no > big deal who gets elected, right? > > The "ultra right wing terrorist in our midst" name calling seems out of > character for you though. > > Regards, John > > Hanna, William A wrote: > > DASC Team: > > I do not see the big deal about delaying the DASC election to after the > Holidays. Dr. Ashenden was right in making the early decision, he was also > wise in rescending it *because of the ultra right wing?* that is in our > group with a single mind of torturing us with legalize not appropriate for > an all volunteers engineering standards body. You wonder if we are running > the UN's Wold Court here? > > People lighten up. Take it easy - extending election time is not likely to > change the outcome of this election and even if it does, it is not a big > deal. > > > Happy Holidays, Cheers, > > > *William A. (Bill) Hanna; Ph.D.EE <http://ph.d.ee/>* > *Technical Fellow - Electronics Design* * & Analysis* > Boeing-IDS Programs Phone: (314) > 232-0714 > MC S106-9075 Mobile: (314) > 302-8039 > St. Louis, MO 63166-0516 E-Mail: william.a.hanna@boeing.com > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alex Zamfirescu [mailto:alex.zamfirescu@gmail.com<alex.zamfirescu@gmail.com>] > > *Sent:* Monday, December 17, 2007 9:04 AM > *To:* Peter Ashenden > *Cc:* stds-dasc@server.dasc.org > *Subject:* Re: DASC officer election resumption > > > Dear Peter: > > You were not someone who would allow himself to be > influenced unduly or who would have had a knee-jerk > reaction to a problem. We all know that good Returning > Officers never disappoint in that regard. > Therefore, I have to share here my surprise for > seeing how easy you overruled your own previous decision, > but I may understand that this is all you can do, in case > the only other alternative was to recuse yourself. > > Sincerely, > > Alex Zamfirescu > > > On 12/16/07, Peter Ashenden <peter@ashenden.com.au> wrote: > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > It would appear that I acted precipitously in suspending the election > > for > > DASC officers. This message is to resume the election process according > > to > > the original timetable, namely, the ballot closing 5:00pm US-PST, > > Tuesday 18 > > December. If you have not already voted, please do so by then. If you > > wish > > to revise a previous vote, I will count the last received by the > > deadline. > > > > Thanks for your patience, and best regards, > > > > PA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Nominations for Chair and Vice Chair for the IEEE DASC have now closed. > > The > > nominees are: > > > > Chair: Victor Berman > > Vice Chair: Stan Krolikoski, Kathy Werner, and Alex Zamfirescu > > > > Under IEEE election procedures, we still need to have an election for > > each > > position, as there is the option of voters writing in candidate names. > > So I > > now invite members of the DASC to vote. Those members who have > > participated > > in 3 of the last 4 DASC meetings/ballots are eligible to have their > > votes > > counted. Other members should still vote or send a formal abstention, > > since > > this ballot will be counted for the 3-of-last-4 rule. > > > > As specified in the DASC procedures: > > > > Voting shall be by "approval", whereby each balloter may cast an > > approval > > vote for each of any number of nominees for an office. The Returning > > Officer > > shall acknowledge receipt of electronic ballots in a timely fashion. The > > nominee with the greatest number of approval votes shall win the > > election. > > Write-in candidates are permitted as specified in the IEEE Bylaws. > > > > Would WG members please vote by completing the form below and returning > > to > > me by reply email by 5:00pm US-PST, Tuesday 18 December. > > > > Thanks, and regards, > > > > Peter Ashenden > > > > -- > > > > Chair (place X next to name to indicate approval vote): > > > > ____ Victor Berman > > > > ____ Write-in: ___________________ > > > > > > Vice-Chair (place X next to name to indicate approval vote): > > > > ____ Stan Krolikoski > > > > ____ Kathy Werner > > > > ____ Alex Zamfirescu > > > > ____ Write-in: ___________________ > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Peter J. Ashenden peter@ashenden.com.au > > Ashenden Designs Pty. 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If you are not the > intended recipient, you should delete this communication, and/or > shred the materials and any attachments, and are hereby notified that > any disclosure, copying or distribution of this communication, or > the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. > Interception of e-mail is a crime under the Electronic Communication > Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and 2701-2709. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify me by reply > e-mail at alex.zamfirescu@gmail.com and destroy the original transmission > and its attachments without reading them, or saving them to disk. > Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. > ========= > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* <http://www.mailscanner.info/>*, and is > > believed to be clean. > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by <http://www.mailscanner.info/>**MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. * > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- Alex Zamfirescu 650-814-7514 alex.zamfirescu@gmail.com http://alex.zamfirescu.googlepages.com ========= This communication, and its attachments, may contain privileged, or confidential information, intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. 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